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WHY has my picture been locked?

Postby Dark-Hyena on Fri May 02, 2008 4:30 am

I am of course referring to "Wolf hunting pic".

Why has the thread been locked? Apart from the fact that there were no warnings whatsoever (be they public or on PMs), I did not violate anything specified on the art forum guidelines.

The picture has not yet reached the +1 month purge deadline, so I'm assuming that the reason was the picture's content. If so.... still, why? It is not overly bloody, and not explicitly pro-hunting (that particular is for the viewer to decide).

If you have an opinion on my work, then please express it through a comment. That way I can make note of any mistakes I made. Simply locking unannounced is just discourteous.
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Postby AgentAragorn on Fri May 02, 2008 6:30 am

Maybe the nature was too much for others...some are really sensitive to the subject
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Postby Shade on Fri May 02, 2008 7:29 am

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Postby Sharona on Fri May 02, 2008 10:20 am

I locked it......

The reason being. If you post a picture of Dogs killing a Wolf (obviously to incite emotions on a Wolf friendly site) and a long standing member is polite in her response as to the subject matter could be reason for argument, and your reply is "Thank You, for your restraint"...... obviously there is not much more to say.


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Postby CargoNuave on Fri May 02, 2008 3:20 pm

Sharona wrote:I locked it......

The reason being. If you post a picture of Dogs killing a Wolf (obviously to incite emotions on a Wolf friendly site) and a long standing member is polite in her response as to the subject matter could be reason for argument, and your reply is "Thank You, for your restraint"...... obviously there is not much more to say.


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Postby Cerberus on Fri May 02, 2008 4:13 pm

This discussion is better left to PMs and/or a post in Site Feedback.
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Postby Dark-Hyena on Fri May 02, 2008 9:35 pm

Maybe the nature was too much for others...some are really sensitive to the subject


The thread title is "Wolf hunting pic". A warning in itself. Should I have elaborated?

Sharona wrote:I locked it......

The reason being. If you post a picture of Dogs killing a Wolf (obviously to incite emotions on a Wolf friendly site)


"Dogs killing a Wolf"

Do the dogs really look like they have the upper hand, or is the wolf successfully beating back the dogs? An example of personal interpretation, but why must yours speak for everyone else's?

"a Wolf friendly site"

I thought this was just a "wolf site", where people could discuss opposing issues and display (non pornographic) art without being busted for it. I'm increasingly beginning to suspect this is just a PR site. Just a place where people with the same frame of mind can congregate and nod their heads at every one sided issue presented.

I'm reminded of something GTX posted a while back;

A lot of people say that they want nothing bad to happen to wolves, that they're really not evil creatures as a lot of people say they are, and that they just "love em' to death". But, at the same time, a lot of pro-wolf people can't last a 30 second argument against an anti-wolf person on why wolves are or are not ruthless killers.

This question was attempted almost 2 years ago with the apperance of Richard Ikeman. WolfTrapper also showed up in the scene to give light to the opposite views of many people on this website. Both people were shot down and flamed in a matter of posts, although few stood up and tried their best to display intelligence in the threads. Unfourtunetly, Richard Ikeman has long ceased to visit the website and WolfTrapper was driven away by an angry mob of so-called wolf lovers.

http://www.wolfweb.com/wolves/viewtopic.php?t=4699

"Obviously to incite emotion.."

What is the purpose of art, if not to incite emotion? Why do you immediately assume that it is meant to be a provocation? It took me 4 days to draw and colour it. That's a lot of dedication taken to supposedly tick people I don't even know off. I've got better things to do.

Sharona wrote:"Thank You, for your restraint"...... obviously there is not much more to say.


You're assuming far too much. I was thanking him/her for limiting himself/herself to commenting on the quality of the picture and not insulting me over the subject matter.

For example...:

"WTF???? OOOH, I BLOODY HATE UR PIC, DAMN WOLF MURDERER! LOLZ!!!!"
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Postby VampiricSable on Fri May 02, 2008 10:14 pm

Let me help you with this Dark.

Whether you meant for it to incite emotion or not, The mods found in inappropriate and so removed it.

Your not going to win because once they make up their minds it's final. Just forget about it, move on, and try not to post such disturbing pictures.
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Postby Dark-Hyena on Fri May 02, 2008 10:37 pm

VampiricSable wrote:Your not going to win because once they make up their minds it's final.


I never expected to win this. Seeing as this is a forum on feedback and suggestions though, is this not a centre for discussion on the way things are run here?

"Give us your feedback about this web site and/or suggestions on making it better!"

VampiricSable wrote:Whether you meant for it to incite emotion or not, The mods found in inappropriate and so removed it.


The picture was not removed. It can still be seen now. The issue is that now no one can comment on it.

I appreciate any kind of feedback, just so long as it is limited to the picture itself and not taken personally. It does however become a problem when one person takes it upon himself or herself to speak for the entire community on a negative opinion and simply stop any feedback.

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The picture itself is of good quality. The subject matter I could go on for ages but I do not want to get into an argument.


There, an opinion expressed on the picture itself, and a generous restraint from taking it personally. Where are the complaints? The spamming? The flaming? That is what was meant to be prevented, right?
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Postby VampiricSable on Fri May 02, 2008 10:40 pm

True, but perhaps the mods still felt the picture to be upsetting, or maybe someone PM'd them and said so?
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Postby Dark-Hyena on Fri May 02, 2008 10:45 pm

VampiricSable wrote:True, but perhaps the mods still felt the picture to be upsetting, or maybe someone PM'd them and said so?


The picture is still there though. Why not simply delete it? Closing the thread does not prevent people from seeing it.

The taken course of action seems to imply that the staff are more worried about the feedback the picture gets rather than the picture itself.
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Postby Kozmo on Sat May 03, 2008 12:38 am

Couple of things I'm going to add:

1) We (meaning the moderation staff) found the comment "Thank you for your restraint" to sound rather condescending, which may or may not have been correct. If it wasn't, then apologies. However, it's remaining locked.

2) By locking the picture, we have also prevented the "n00b spam", personal critique.

3) I was around when Wolftrapper orignally joined, and, truth be told, Shar and I befriended him on the original site. When this site re-opened, GTX joined the group of us (Sorry, Gee, I don't remember you on the original forum. If you were there, I apologize). We could debate with him, and he was never rude or condescending. Trapper ended up leaving when n00b spam started up on the new forum.

In addition, Trapper used his kills. As to the flaming; yes, it did happen. However, some of us actually tried to get the spammers to calm down, to no avail.

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That's all I'm going to say here for now. Again, it was the attitude we all assume your comment was in, as well as the picture itself (I believe), that got your picture locked.



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Postby Kaze_Haga on Sat May 03, 2008 5:16 am

"I appreciate your restraint" just sorta sounds like it was appreciated that an argument wasn't started on the subject matter, that's all.

Seems like the comment was simply misread.
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Postby Cerberus on Sat May 03, 2008 8:11 am

I am going to add my two cents and ya'll aren't going to like it.

None of us [mods] had a say on whether or not the comment was inappropriate because the topic was locked by one of us without any consultation with the rest of us.

In my personal opinion and personal experience with threads of this nature, I don't think DH was being condescending. I can understand how it would be appreciated that someone who obviously had negative things to say about the art refrained from it. Heck, I appreciate it because its one less flame war that I have to referee.

I actually think that Firewolf is at fault here for even posting that comment. My opinion is: Don't reply unless you have something constructive to say. Firewolf could have left out that last part about wanting to flame for the content and none of this would have happened. DH would not have replied the way he did. We would not be having this discussion. It would have been very easy to just have said, "I don't agree with the content, but I like the picture quality..." instead of suggesting that one was using all restraint against flaming. :/

I understand that this is not about the picture, but I believe that there has been a bit "jumping of the gun," on the moderator's part. There has not been any noob spam YET. Are we totally certain that there will be? Firewolf and DH's replies aren't necessarily spam or flaming. Perhaps now that DH has offered his explanation, the thread could be unlocked to allow for critique?
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Postby GTX on Sat May 03, 2008 2:03 pm

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if the slightest innocence was lost to an ill-disposed comment.

Would the comment be to blame, or the over reacting public be?

Dark, I've noticed you sometimes seem to be on edge with a few people, but at the same time, I can't always tell if it's you or them that's causing the issue.

Since I've joined here, I've noticed only a thing or two that really get on member's nerves: Pics of wolves being killed or already killed. That even bugs me sometimes, but I deal with it because I understand it as a harsh reality and I'm going to face it no matter what.

As for your thread, as I see it now it's titled "Wolf Hunting Pic". I'm not sure if it was changed or not, but it's left the subject of debate up to the reader. While the picture does suggest that there is Wolf Hunting involved, it doesn't state whether or not the wolf is losing the battle. Oddly enough, although the picture is left to the reader to decide, it seems to be a secondary term of debate (And, as I've noticed, it's most likely not in question because it hasn't been removed).

And then we lead to the "comment" of "Thank you for your restraint".

......and?

I've been told that many times. People know that I have a tendancy to get on other's cases over certain things to flare up a debate, and I've been told before things similar to that.

Of course, I seem to be a tad late in this discussion, but I tend to like getting my 2 cents in (or sometimes just a penny, depending on the day).

I say it shouldn't be locked. Nothing wrong with it at all. I mean, seriously, do I have to find Richard Ikeman and get him back here if something like that comment or picture can get us going?
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